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weather and meeting?
by Oren Beck 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

Is there a meeting tonight?

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RE: This needs to become more widely shared-Linux migration information.
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

This would have been an excellent time to LINK to the wiki. ;-) Last I checked, I couldn't edit anything on the wiki and neither could several others. It also could stand to be linked from the kclug.org homepage. >-----Original Message----- >From: Christopher A. Bier >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:46 AM > > >> On Monday 15 January 2007 18:00, Arthur Pemberton wrote: >>> On 1/15/07, Oren Beck <orenbeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> > Someone is working on a table of Linux replacements for windows >>> software. >>> > http://foolks.blogspot.com/2007/01/tables-of-equivalents.html >> >>> I seem to remember seeing such tables before. This one could have a >>> much easier to read layout IMHO, and I can already see missing apps. >> >> Re-write it, fill in the blanks you know, post it to the LUG site. > >This would be a good application for the wiki.

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RE: Could this have been prevented with Linux? OR common sense?
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

With Firefox pop-up blocking you can allow certain websites to pop-up. Same with the adblocker and flashblocker. But the user gets to decide which ones he wants to see. _____ From: Don Ellis Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:52 AM --Don Ellis (trying a new mail client) [PS - of course turning on popup blocking in the web browser is almost always helpful (except when necessary to run a web application)] On Jan 16, 2007, at 8:20 AM, Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO wrote: All the more important that you use Firefox with adblock and flashblock or at the very least, run a pop-up blocking software and have adware/spyware removal tools available.

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RE: Could this have been prevented with Linux? OR common sense?
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

All the more important that you use Firefox with adblock and flashblock or at the very least, run a pop-up blocking software and have adware/spyware removal tools available. _____ From: Oren Beck Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 10:59 PM To: KCLUG (E-mail) Subject: Could this have been prevented with Linux? OR common sense? http://www.norwichbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070106/NEWS0 1/701060312/1002/NEWS17 Forgive the long link- but this is NOT a story that should go by uncommented. For if we do so, the "Who's next?" may be any innocent caught unaware. Read the story and be very afraid..

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This needs to become more widely shared-Linux migration information.
by Oren Beck 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

This was referenced in several blogs.. Someone is working on a table of Linux replacements for windows software. http://foolks.blogspot.com/2007/01/tables-of-equivalents.html I cannot comment on it's overall sanity check potential. But it's the BEST attempt so far at doing what it does: "The reports calling Vista a suicide pact seem understated to me"

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RE: Could this have been prevented with Linux? OR common sense?
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

(long rant) You're right Jim. Every business and gov't. network should have a proxy, a firewall, filtering software, and an AUP (Acceptable Use Policy) signed and in place or a combination of those. Otherwise they can be held liable in at least a civil suit for failure to perform due diligence to block offensive content. Most of the IT guys I've come across from schools have this stuff in place and it is so tight you can't get webmail or do research on breast cancer. That said, I think any user of the Internet is personally responsible for what they look up. It is fair to assume that most everyone is aware that there is porn on the internet and that you must be careful. We don't know all the facts in the case, so it is very likely that the substitute was a newish Internet user and was not necessarily surfing porn in a class. How dumb would that be? She probably panicked when the pop-ups appeared and asked the students for help. Then several more get up and there is your ten students. An experienced investigator, like on of us may be able to find that one of the students sabotaged her computer. What a cruel joke that she could be sentenced for up to 40 years for something so dumb, besides the fact that she will likely never teach again. Mandatory sentencing in some cases may be equated to Zero Tolerance policies that you may run into. Either the judge has no flexibility to be lenient or some wily prosecutor out to make a name for himself goes for the max. In any case, I'd assume that the judge, jury, prosecution, defense are not fully educated on internet technology and how these things can happen. >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Herrmann >Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:33 PM > >Wouldn't even need Linux. Firefox alone probably would have >prevented. >Wouldn't the IT guy who set up the firewall that didn't block >these sites be as liable as this woman. It's definitely a >bullshit conviction. > >My $.02, >Jim >

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Could this have been prevented with Linux? OR common sense?
by Oren Beck 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

http://www.norwichbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070106/NEWS01/7… Forgive the long link- but this is NOT a story that should go by uncommented. For if we do so, the "Who's next?" may be any innocent caught unaware. Read the story and be very afraid..

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back in the fold again . . .
by gary hildebrand 15 Jan '07

15 Jan '07

After having a major falling-out with CenturyTel and their #$%^ ISP service that excludes non-Windows users, I've told them to take a long walk off a short plank. I have recently picked up a Compaq Armada 700 laptop, and want to install SuSE 8.2 on it, or maybe up to 10.0 depending on ease . . . Has anyone had major problems with any install, or do some work better than others? I obviously don't want to have Winblows installed, except as a dual-boot machine. Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO

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Re: Critical info (was Upgrading...)
by Jared 12 Jan '07

12 Jan '07

>> You mean to say "Are you paranoid if they really are out to get you." > > "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you." What is the link between geeks and paranoia? Both are obsessed with trivial, nearly useless pieces of information that no one else sees, or cares about. Both weave these tiny pieces of data into a coherent pattern, and then use insight from the pattern recursively to reveal specific anomolies with which they then tinker. When debugging, the geek does something constructive with the skill. When paranoid, the geek is simply thinking about himself too much. This email is trivial, and nearly useless, and therefore recursive. :) -Jared

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Re: Adobe
by Oren Beck 12 Jan '07

12 Jan '07

On 1/8/07, Oren Beck <orenbeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Ok- we have a few opinions favoring simplicity. > Here's my next re-imagination of what could be. > > The "page" currently can probe for some details of what's looking at it. > YES, that's an oversimplified explanation but for this concept it works. > So- as is already done by some sites- the "version" of what you see > is selected for your device or connection or both. But can we go a bit > farther? > As in an agreed upon default backchannel in the browser to tell sites > > "Show me <Blank> and do not ask me <blank> that GETS HONORED. > > The reward is:Sites honoring such a scheme will get customers > pre-selected for parts of the site's content and not annoy customers > with unwanted non revenue content > Which to me is that flood of "Plug-in" demands and the constant > begging us to update our <Blank> "To fully enjoy this site" > Or the more grim- it simply won't play at all with non-genuine MS. > Believe and puke- there are plans afoot to tie WGA to browser access! > . > And sadly we still have to code OUR sites to play nice with windows. > Now the inversion of course is sites hostile to non-explorer browsers. > > I put it like this- while one has a "right" to make sites allow or forbid > certain browsers in personal work- "Public" sites such as government > or educational do NOT have a "right" to block handicapped or nonMS users. >

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